CHARLES STANG: OK, that is the big question. And so in the epilogue, I say we simply do not know the relationship between this site in Spain and Eleusis, nor do we know what was happening at-- it doesn't automatically mean that Eleusis was a psychedelic rite. And I guess my biggest question, not necessarily for you, but the psychedelic community, for what it's worth, or those who are interested in this stuff is how do we make this experience sacred? Now, you could draw the obvious conclusion. Here's what we don't. We know that at the time of Jesus, before, during, and after, there were recipes floating around. According to Muraresku, this work, which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? OK-- maybe one of those ancient beers. Because very briefly, I think Brian and others have made a very strong case that these things-- this was a biotechnology that was available in the ancient world. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact CHARLES STANG: OK. What was discovered, as far as I can tell, from your treatment of it, is essentially an ancient pharmacy in this house. 40:15 Witches, drugs, and the Catholic Church . The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name But if the original Eucharist were psychedelic, or even if there were significant numbers of early Christians using psychedelics like sacrament, I would expect the representatives of orthodox, institutional Christianity to rail against it. Well, wonderful. If your history is even remotely correct, that would have ushered in a very different church, if Valentinus's own student Marcus and the Marcosians were involved in psychedelic rituals, then that was an early road not taken, let's say. And if there's historical precedent for it, all the more so. I'm happy to argue about that. And the second act, the same, but for what you call paleo-Christianity, the evidence for your suspicion that the Eucharist was originally a psychedelic sacrament. Why don't we turn the tables and ask you what questions you think need to be posed? But please do know that we will forward all these questions to Brian so he will know the sorts of questions his work prompts. Then what was the Gospel of John, how did it interpret the Eucharist and market it, and so on. Read more about The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku Making Sense by Sam Harris